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  1. Zestinobambino

    A Second White Rose - Edmund, Earl of Rutland Survives
    Threadmarks: Prologue

    Prologue A map of Europe in 1460, before the Battle of Wakefield in northern England. This map therefore shows Europe as it was before ANY butterflies are released. Screenshot is from The History of Europe: Every Year (timestamp 8:58). Credit to the YouTuber Cottereau for the excellent video...
  2. The Staffords replace the Tudors?

    Thomas of Woodstock, Duke of Gloucester is the much forgotten fifth son of Edward III. Richard II would arrest Woodstock for plotting against him and he would be murdered awaiting trial. His only son Humphrey, 2nd Earl of Buckingham died of illness. However, like his brothers Clarence and...
  3. Alternative inheritors of the Mortimer claim?

    Richard, 3rd Duke of York would inherit the Mortimer claim (that is, being the rightful agnatic-cognatic heirs to the English throne) in OTL through his mother Anne Mortimer. What alternative figures could instead inherit the Mortimer claim through marrying into the family? Elizabeth Mortimer...
  4. An Earlier Yorkist England?

    Richard II was good friends with his cousin Edward of Norwich and apparently would've preferred he succeeded him. Obviously, York has a distant claim to the throne with a brood of Lancasters blocking him from the agnatic succession, never mind agnatic-cognatic, so it seems like an unlikely...
  5. Union of the Crowns... in the 1440s?

    Assume the Yorkist line fizzles out before 1440, that the Duke of Exeter dies prematurely, and that the Somersets still win their power struggle against the Duke of Gloucester. If Henry VI were to die prematurely without his son (or his wife's son) being born, is it correct to say that the...
  6. Lancastrian Burgundy?

    If John, Duke of Bedford had surviving issue with Anne of Burgundy, and some extremely bad luck befalls Mary, Duchess of Cleves such that she has no surviving issue, and Philip the Good and Charles the Bold die at some fortuitous date for the Lancasters could they inherit Burgundy?
  7. The Gybson Boy

    A Dual Anglo-French Yorkist Monarchy in the 15th Century

    Coronation of King Richard I of France and III of England in 1456 Let's say Joan of Arc never receives her divine calling and the Hundred Years' War ends in 1430 with the death of the Dauphin Charles in Battle and OTL Louis XI dying of fever, with the remaining Dauphinists fleeing into exile and...
  8. The Gybson Boy

    Edward V and Edward of Westminster's daughter have 14 children, who do they marry?

    King Edward V of England (1470-1542) and Queen Mary of Lancaster (1470-1545) "On December 8, 1470, on the day of the Immaculate Conception, Anne Neville, wife of the late Prince of Wales, Edward of Westminster, gave birth to a girl who was named Mary, heiress of the house of Lancaster. The young...
  9. The Gybson Boy

    Henry V lives and has 12 children, who do they marry?

    King Henry II of France and V of England and Queen Catherine of Valois "In the summer of 1422, Henry V never rode in full armor in scorching heat to lead his forces with the intention of confronting the Dauphinist forces at Cosne-sur-Loire, when the mad Charles VI died in October 1422, Henry the...
  10. Richard II of England has an heir.

    Richard of Bordeux (The Last Plantagenet King from the main branch) has a son with either Anne of Bohemia or Isabella of Valois named Edward (After Edward the Black Prince). Will he still get deposed? Henry Boilingbroke won't have much of a claim as before being a son of Gaunt, or maybe it's...
  11. WI: Queen Elizabeth marries a Plantagenet?

    After the death of the 17th Earl of Warwick the only legitimate line of the Plantagenets left was through Henry Somerset, 2nd Earl of Worcester. He was a Beaufort, his father being the legitimised bastard of the 3rd Duke of Somerset. They are also the most senior Lancastrian claimants to the...
  12. What if Edward III had many more legitimate grandchildren?

    Edward of Woodstock and Joan of Kent Edward (b. 1362) Arthur (b. 1364) Matilda (b. 1365) Edmund (b. 1366) Richard (b. 1367) Joanna (b. 1371) Isabella of England and Enguerrand de Coucy Marie (b. 1366) Philippa (b. 1367) Enguerrand (b. 1368) Armand (b. 1370) Joan of England and Pedro of...
  13. dachi

    A lily is fine as well. (An Direct Capetian England Timeline Louise VIII Succeeded in becoming King Of England )
    Threadmarks: 9Th November 1226

    In a richly decorated room, a family mourned the death of their father. That itself was perhaps not uncommon, for every man died eventually. The men who was being mourned died young. But what was truly special about the room was its inhabitants. At first glance, it might have seemed like...
  14. Zestinobambino

    What if Edmund, Earl of Rutland survived? - A Second White Rose

    Edmund, Earl of Rutland. Born in Rouen, 1443, died near Wakefield, 1460. He was the second son of Richard, Duke of York - his older brother being Edward, Earl of March, later King Edward IV. Rutland died when he was 17 at the Battle of Wakefield, but what if he didn’t? I’ve been working on this...
  15. WI: Third line of Plantagenets in XV century

    Thomas of Woodstock was the youngest son of Edward III that survived until the adulthood. He married and had issue, including son Humprey, 2nd Earl of Buckingham. After the dispute with Richard II, Thomas was arrested and murdered in 1397, and his son didn't outlived it by much. He first was...
  16. WI: Edward of Westminester survives and have a son

    Let's say that while Battle of Tewkesbury is still a total victory for Edward York and his supporters, Few Knights fighting for Henry Lancaster realized that the battle is lost before it's too late, and Lancasterian heir, Edward of Westminster, Prince of Wales is dragged off the...
  17. SunZi

    WI: Philip II "Augustus" drowned at Gisors in 1198

    On 27 September 1198 a skirmish took place between King Richard I of England and Philip II of France in Gisors, the latter was defeated and forced to flee but he and his knights caused a bridge to collapse on their way and King Capetian lack of drowning. Lionheart does not exploit this victory...
  18. Henderson

    Rex Juvenis - An Angevin Timeline
    Threadmarks: Chapter I - Henry II

    Rex Juvenis - An Angevin Timeline “You would have been king of the noble and emperor of the brave, lord, if you had lived longer, for you had gained the name Young King; you were indeed the guide and father of youth. And hauberks and swords, and beautiful buckram, helmets and gonfalons...
  19. Euphemios

    What historically spurred London to become such a hotbed of dissent?

    The city: Chased out Queen Matilda during the Anarchy, 1141, Openly supported Louis the Lion in his invasion during the Barons' War, 1215-, Opened its gates to the insurrectionaries during the Peasants' Revolt, 1381-, Locked out the Lancastrians under Margaret of Anjou during the Readeption...
  20. SunZi

    Beyond the King's river — A timeline of Joan of Arc's death
    Threadmarks: I.A maid dies and the Dauphin falls

    France is, in the first quarter of the 15th century, in a serious situation where its fate seems to be at stake; after the victory of Agincourt and the formation of the Anglo-Burgundian alliance, King Henry V of England succeeds to impose a treaty in Troyes on the mad French monarch Charles VI...
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