Disaster Averted (Titanic Lives) On Hiatus

[JamesHunter]

I was trying to suggest that if the eastern war ends in 1916 with a deal, then the Oct revolution probably does not occur. You might still get a Feb due the economic fallout, but it’s if they have made a separate deal the Germans are not releasing Lenin as they need a stable Russia on their backs to try and deal with the West. Russia then stabilises under the Provisional Govt.

With a population relentless about the war, collapsed economy, failed military offensives, and Germany offering to give up seized lands I could see the Tsar taking a deal in mid/late 1916 just to get if over with.

There might not be a separate deal with Austria or Ottomans, which might be the easier places for Russia to gain, esp vs the Ottomans.

Some form of Feb is almost inevitable. Nicky broke the "deal" he made with the political classes well before the war even started and now the people have suffered through a second lost war as well (it's going to be hard to spin having German troops on Russian soil for years).

That said if the war ends earlier Germany won't send Lenin and co home which will make it much harder for the Bolsheviks to act. That might give any provisional government enough time to stabilise and reform along at least vaguely democratic lines.

 

[PrinceHenry_of_Rheinsberg]

Were this ASB and not Alternate History Discussion: After 1900 a convenient Iceberg may have shown up for the U-Boat to strike.
Maybe next time.

Maybe? I don't know how to look at this...

 

[PrinceHenry_of_Rheinsberg]

The Great War & Armistice​

(1914-1916)
Despite the entry of the United States, the war still raged on. In the Middle East, the Ottoman Empire witnessed to ever-growing threat of the Arabs, who had managed to capture the Holy City of Mecca. The victory would lead to the creation of an Arab state from Aden to Aleppo, becoming the Kingdom of Hejaz.

The threat of the German U-Boat was nevertheless present, demonstrated when in the Adriatic Sea, the Italian troopship SS Principe Umberto is sunk by the Austro-Hungarian submarine, in yet the deadliest sinking of the war, with 1,900 lives lost.

In July, the Battle of the Somme would occur, becoming one of the Great War's most infamous battles yet.

During the period following US entry, Titanic, Olympic, and Gigantic could be seen often in the ports of either Halifax Nova Scotia, or New York City as they picked up thousands of young American soldiers, who were eager to fight for liberty, freedom, and justice. Among one such was Quentin Roosevelt, son of the current President and part of the United States Army Air Service.

The younger Roosevelt would journey across the Atlantic onboard the Titanic, later becoming among many who would refer to the great ship as the “Old Faithful.”

The War was less than ideal, specifically, for the Central Powers. Between July and August, the Battle of the Somme raged, in August, Romania became convinced, in part by US entry into the war. Italy followed suit. Having seemingly failed, and with the entry of the United States, Erich von Falkenhayn was removed from Chief of Staff. In his place, Paul von Hindenburg would take the position.

Misfortune continued for the CP, as Bulgaria would ultimately enter into the Great War, but on the side of the Entente following the entry of the United States.

With the Arab Revolt, Romanian, Italian and Bulgarian entry on the side of the Entente, followed by the soon-to-be arrival of thousands of reinforcements, the CP were soon to experience the walls closing in on them from all sides.

German armies were redeployed from the eastern front, between September to October for what would later named the German Autumn Offensive, with the end goal being to cause as many casualties as possible and take Paris before US troops could arrive.

It began would a mass artillery barrage, one so intense the earth was rocked as dozens of high-explosive shells rained down upon the allied soldiers along the front. German troops, some part of the newly formed “Storm-Trooper” units lead the attack. The Battle of the Somme ended finally, though with massive casualties, whilst the German thrust made progress but stalled out before being ground down in December.

The first of the three Central Powers to fall would prove to be the Austro-Hungarians, as a combined offensive from Russia, Romania, and Serbia proved too much for the aging Empire in decline, and once upon the death of Franz Joseph the 1, led to an armistice under new Kaiser Charles I. The Ottomans, would the Bulgaria’s close to the gates of Constantinople herself, followed shortly mere days later.

Germany, war-weary and having itself surrounded in a now futile effort, ultimately would request the armistice itself in December 1916, bringing the end to the Great War.

 

[CountryUsedToBeBritish]

Hmm, ending the Great War 2 years early. Interesting.

 

[Pblouin21]

French finances are less damaged, the Normandie class will be completed, the latter replace the oldest obsolete pre-dreadnoughts, the Dantons are still modern enough to be sold.
An important point: the tanks are not put into service or very little, they will undoubtedly be designed a little differently (crossing trenches).

 

[PrinceHenry_of_Rheinsberg]

Hmm, ending the Great War 2 years early. Interesting.

It would be a long shot, I admit that. I didn't wish to focus too heavily on the wider world, and only on the RMS Titanic. Plus, I thought it would be possible, given a combination of Austria and the Ottomans being surrounded and forced out of the war early, coupled with Germany being desperate and on the ropes.

 

[Ogrebear]

With a War ending in 1916 I can see several effects:
1. A very different peace - a different US President, less war weariness, less massive economic disruption, less bombing, etc will see Peace Conferences that do not go down the Versailles route- sure, it is likely Germany still takes the 'blame' for the war, but the costs will be nothing like OTL. Some colonies, a limited military, some small reparations towards rebuilding, but not the wholesale idiocy of OTL.
2. No Russian Revolution - yet. Unless Nicholas II is prepared to make wholesale reforms then tensions in Russia will continue to boil, esp with the Veterans coming home. Best thing for Russia would be for Nicholas II to be replaced with a reformer. Cannot see Germany letting Lenin go home here, they won't want the trouble on their doorstep.
3. Poland - sure, the Russians where on the winning side, but they might set up a buffer country anyway, partly to free them from the cost, or before the region explodes into civil war.
4. Middle East - different peace deals will see the Ottomans not carved up as much I feel. Certainly Britain and France will want something, but the Syria, Lebanon etc we know are not likely with this early finish to the war. The Ottomans are likely to hold on.
5. Austria-Hungary - oddly here I can see a difference wherein the Empire loses some of its outer edges to Italy, Czechoslovakia, etc, but the whole state *might* be allowed to continue as a federal state rather than be broken up into a patchwork.
6. I don't see Yugoslavia here.
7. League of Nations, or something similar might happen, but I doubt it will any more teeth than OTL, though it will have the US.
8. Japan - the racism will still be a factor, but an early end to the war and lack of war wariness, could see their war aims and contribution taken more seriously.
9. I don't think the USA goes into isolationism after a quick, decisive war like this; they wont bee seen as Europe's 'saviours' since the war was not as stalemated as OTL. It is also possible they do not 'shut the door' to immigration post war leading to the berths in 3rd class still being very full.
10. If Italy makes territorial gains from the Great War and are not brushed aside, then the facisits are unlikely to gain power from the resentment feeling post-war.
11. No Spanish Flu - does this impact the Civil War?

In regard to shipping:

1. With the Trio intact White Star likely only get 1 of the German superliners to replace Oceanic, not sure which.
2. Since Lusitania, Mauritania, and Aquitania are all intact Cunard likely does not get one of the German superliners, but might get smaller ships to replace losses like Carpathia. The companies Transatlantic service might suffer in the 20's from having such old ships. Maybe we get Queen Mary eariler?
3. The remaining German liners could end up with an Italian line, P&O, or even an American line perhaps.
4. White Star are in a strong position coming out of the war, with their liners labled as 'lucky' or 'old reliable' - it could be what the line needs to shake up the management and stop the BS that happend OTL, and thus prevent the bankrupcy.
5. The War should lead to a change in shipbuilding with things like oil power, stabilisers, double hulls, air con(?), private bathrooms for all etc.

Speculation:

An early end to the Great War could see the 'roaring 20's' not happen as we know it - the post war economic boom the US had from selling arms won't happen with 2 year less war. The lack of a USSR (yet) won't have the red scare effect regarding socialism. Does a different string of US leaders see Prohibition pass? With more common sense the knock on effects of stopping booze sales on barrel makers, transport hubs, bottlers, gang activity, etc all could be predicted and the amendment killed. This had knock on effects on the US economiy, that without the roaring going on see the Crash/Depression not happen, or be much weaker, which then impacts immigration, Normandie, Queen Mary, Oceanic III, and of course if facism takes root in Germany.

Please go well off the OTL course regarding world history, timelines are often more fun if they avoid the OTL path.

 

[PrinceHenry_of_Rheinsberg]

With a War ending in 1916 I can see several effects:
1. A very different peace - a different US President, less war weariness, less massive economic disruption, less bombing, etc will see Peace Conferences that do not go down the Versailles route- sure, it is likely Germany still takes the 'blame' for the war, but the costs will be nothing like OTL. Some colonies, a limited military, some small reparations towards rebuilding, but not the wholesale idiocy of OTL.
2. No Russian Revolution - yet. Unless Nicholas II is prepared to make wholesale reforms then tensions in Russia will continue to boil, esp with the Veterans coming home. Best thing for Russia would be for Nicholas II to be replaced with a reformer. Cannot see Germany letting Lenin go home here, they won't want the trouble on their doorstep.
3. Poland - sure, the Russians where on the winning side, but they might set up a buffer country anyway, partly to free them from the cost, or before the region explodes into civil war.
4. Middle East - different peace deals will see the Ottomans not carved up as much I feel. Certainly Britain and France will want something, but the Syria, Lebanon etc we know are not likely with this early finish to the war. The Ottomans are likely to hold on.
5. Austria-Hungary - oddly here I can see a difference wherein the Empire loses some of its outer edges to Italy, Czechoslovakia, etc, but the whole state *might* be allowed to continue as a federal state rather than be broken up into a patchwork.
6. I don't see Yugoslavia here.
7. League of Nations, or something similar might happen, but I doubt it will any more teeth than OTL, though it will have the US.
8. Japan - the racism will still be a factor, but an early end to the war and lack of war wariness, could see their war aims and contribution taken more seriously.
9. I don't think the USA goes into isolationism after a quick, decisive war like this; they wont bee seen as Europe's 'saviours' since the war was not as stalemated as OTL. It is also possible they do not 'shut the door' to immigration post war leading to the berths in 3rd class still being very full.
10. If Italy makes territorial gains from the Great War and are not brushed aside, then the facisits are unlikely to gain power from the resentment feeling post-war.
11. No Spanish Flu - does this impact the Civil War?

In regard to shipping:

1. With the Trio intact White Star likely only get 1 of the German superliners to replace Oceanic, not sure which.
2. Since Lusitania, Mauritania, and Aquitania are all intact Cunard likely does not get one of the German superliners, but might get smaller ships to replace losses like Carpathia. The companies Transatlantic service might suffer in the 20's from having such old ships. Maybe we get Queen Mary eariler?
3. The remaining German liners could end up with an Italian line, P&O, or even an American line perhaps.
4. White Star are in a strong position coming out of the war, with their liners labled as 'lucky' or 'old reliable' - it could be what the line needs to shake up the management and stop the BS that happend OTL, and thus prevent the bankrupcy.
5. The War should lead to a change in shipbuilding with things like oil power, stabilisers, double hulls, air con(?), private bathrooms for all etc.

Speculation:

An early end to the Great War could see the 'roaring 20's' not happen as we know it - the post war economic boom the US had from selling arms won't happen with 2 year less war. The lack of a USSR (yet) won't have the red scare effect regarding socialism. Does a different string of US leaders see Prohibition pass? With more common sense the knock on effects of stopping booze sales on barrel makers, transport hubs, bottlers, gang activity, etc all could be predicted and the amendment killed. This had knock on effects on the US economiy, that without the roaring going on see the Crash/Depression not happen, or be much weaker, which then impacts immigration, Normandie, Queen Mary, Oceanic III, and of course if facism takes root in Germany.

Please go well off the OTL course regarding world history, timelines are often more fun if they avoid the OTL path.

I'll try to look into this timeline, and not repeat OTL path. I must say now though, thank you for commenting. It does help inspire me but also gives ideas on how the potential timeline will go forward.

 

[pjmidd]

3. Poland - sure, the Russians where on the winning side, but they might set up a buffer country anyway, partly to free them from the cost, or before the region explodes into civil war.

Well the manifesto of August 1914 did promise a united Poland ( ie pre war Russian , Austrian and German parts ) that was self governing. Now what Poles thought that meant is probably different to what the Russians actually meant but a buffer state is very possible ( probably would still be a monarchy under a Romanov branch )

 

[PrinceHenry_of_Rheinsberg]

Treaty of Stockholm, 1917​

After much discussion between the “Big Five” over the subsequent treaty was discussed, the eventual choice of Stockholm, Sweden after much deliberation. Representing each nation would be a delegation of diplomats and representatives, joined by the ministers and leaders of each nation involved in the war. Amongst these, were Theodore Roosevelt, H. H. Asquith (Britain), Paolo Boselli (Italy), Paul Painleve (France), and Johann Heinrich von Bernstorff (Germany). They were joined by representatives from Austro-Hungarian Empire, Japan, China, Australia, and Belguim.

Almost immediately, the negotiations were split from the Entente on the details of the treaty, with the intention of France and Russia to weaken Germany as much as possible to prevent it from threatening either power from ever harming them again. Opposite of this, H. H. Asquith along with British diplomats and representatives sought to weaken, but not dismantle Germany to maintain a balance between the Reich, Russian, and French nations.

Finally, President Roosevelt sought a peace deal similar to Britain, mostly seeking to maintain Germany as a nation balance power and keep the French and Russians in check. As well as this, Roosevelt would push for composition and reimbursement in the form of war reparations for the loss in shipping caused by German U-boats during the war.

There was territorial concessions, the extradition of alleged war criminals, a debate on putting Kaiser Wilhelm on trial, and recognition of Poland. Finally, the so-called “War Guilt” clause, in which Germany would seemingly accept responsibility for the war.

The treaty would become a fiercely debated topic between the powers that be, with a member of the American delegation, Henry Cabot Lodge writing to a friend; “The powers that be cannot come to a shared conclusion for peace in Europe. The French seek total annihilation of the German state, the Russians seek territorial concessions from all three, the Italian's recognition, Britain a stable Europe, and our President… American acceptance of the world and firm peace with the United States in Europe.”

From the end of January and leading into February, the soon-to-be-named Treaty of Stockholm suffered revisions with few if any of the delegations present satisfied. German attempts to have the West acknowledge gains made in the East were rejected out of hand by France and Russia. Similarly, Britain’s push for the disarmament of the German High Sea Fleet proved equally unbecoming. Italian hopes of acquiring the lands they were promised, Japanese hopes for recognition, and Russian efforts to form a Polish state under their terms were all equally unbecoming.

Under Roosevelt, the American delegation would take the lead and be responsible for the final peace deal presented on the 10 of February.

A collective guilt would be placed upon the Ottoman, German, and Austro-Hungarian Empires. This would be followed by the transfer of Central Power colonies in Africa, Asia, and China over to the Entente. Reparations would be paid, the total amounting to about 15 billion gold marks in gold, commodities, ships, securities, or other forms.

Next to follow would be the limited territorial transfer between the states of Germany, Belgium, France, Russia, Romania, Serbia, and Italy.

In the end, the treaty left much to be desired for many of the powers present, to the point that the French and Italian delegations left during the negotiations and signed separate treaties to officially end the war.

But fate would not be kind, even after the Western and Eastern Fronts went silent. In Germany, the Kaiser, the Chief of Staff, and the First Quartermaster General would ultimately break publicly and lead to Erich Ludendorff’s dismissal as the latter argued against the treaty of Stockholm and the end of the War. Whilst the official story was the disagreement over the Peace deal, later discussions would theories that the Kaiser feared the rise of Lundenorf and Hindenburg to become de-facto military dictators of the German state.

Thus, seeking to maintain his power base and ensure the Kaiser remained the ultimate authority within the Reich, Wilhelm dismissed Lundenorff in April.

In France, the treaty was met with uproar from many in the crowds in Paris. Though celebrations for the end of the war occurred, the feelings were quickly soured as Alsace and Lorraine were split between France and Germany. Ultimately, Paul Painleve would be unable to ratify the treaty due to public outcry, as backlash from the French Reight stoked public anger and resentment across the nation.

Marshal Ferdinand Foch would provide his own criticism that best summarized the general mood of the French people, remarking publicly that; “this (treaty) is not peace. But a simple return to the status quo, antebellum. All for the sake and selfish desires and whims of the United States and Britain.”

In Britain, the Treaty split much of the delegates representing the Commonwealth and British Government. Some saw French policy as too greedy and vindictive, whilst some like future Prime Minister Lloyd George believed in the Treaty, and were convinced French attempts at enforcement would start another war, one that they would regret starting.

Public opinion was convinced Germany “Got off light” though with the acquisition of German colonies, and the growing split between the former Entente between France, Russia, and Britain, opinions morphed over. H. H. Asquith would go on to run for re-election, running on a platform of peace and security that saw him win reelection narrowly.

Italy, much like France, saw the treaty so badly that it would fail to be ratified. Due to significant casualties, only a small portion of Italy’s war goals were achieved, including small portions of the Dalmatian coast. President Roosevelt had been sympathetic to Italy’s plight, as a fellow Power desiring to show its might to the world, however with the status of the Austro-Hungarian Empire and desire to end the war, ultimately rejected Italian ambitions. This was also believed to have been influenced by sentiments shared between Britain and France, who had become critical of Italy’s war effort despite the victory and believed them undeserving of more. This was also not helped by a split in negotiating strategy by Premier Boselli and recently appointed Foreign Minister Sidney Sonnino.

Boselli would not survive as PM, his career was ruined due to public anger and dismay over the treaty.

The United States would be, unlike its compatriots from across the pond, mostly in favor of the treaty. Likely due to not having suffered as many casualties and/or damages, the US Congress would ratify the treaty which officially ended the Great War for the US. Despite some proposals for a so-called “League of Nations”, which was championed by several Democrats including former Democratic nominee Woodrow Wilson, it ultimately was rejected outright.

Among the general public, German-Americans, Irish-Americans, and their representatives were ultimately supportive of the treaty, in opposition to some Democrats and Republicans who favored or supported the Entente.

After the end of Roosevelt’s Presidency, Democratic President Al Smith would regard the Treaty and the whole of the Great War; as “An endeavor which, whilst proving American might, has otherwise left us without friends in the Concert of Europe.”

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[PrinceHenry_of_Rheinsberg]

March Revolution, 1917​

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For the People of the Russian Empire, the end of the Great War brought much relief and joy as the frontlines went quiet, and countless sons and fathers began making the long trek home. The long trials and tribulations of the war were over, and hopefully, a return to normalcy was on the horizon. The same feeling of hope and relief was not felt by the nation's own Tsar, Nicholas II. The end of the Great War had brought peace to Russia, yet bitterness and anger lingered as questions began to be asked after the war ended. What was it all for? With the loss of territory to Germany, alongside the high death count and capture of thousands of Russian soldiers, the populace was relieved the war ended but, now were starting to feel anger over having to go through with it in the first place. Though trade began once again as the German High Seas fleet left the Baltic open, protests began demanding political change in Russia. In many ways, the calls of the Russian people echoed those of the citizens of Paris during the French Revolution.

Food rationing during the war, continued rule by the nobles, and the ineffective state duma, helped spur many revolutionary activists, lawyers, representatives, and other members of a growing and influential middle class to lead and demand political change. Tsar Nicholas, unwilling to let go of his throne after fighting a war with the Germans and desire to keep his status, would make the faithful mistake of ordering the Russian Army and Petrograd Police to disperse the crowds forming in Saint Petersburg and force their removal. Instead of complying, the soldiers refused to follow orders as many of the protesters were fellow soldiers who also shared their discontent with the Tsar, believing him solely responsible for their suffering and having taken advantage of many for their patriotic zeal.

As the Russian Assembly began to disintegrate as many lower-class intellects and representatives left, so did General Kornilov lead Russian Army forces into the city which were cheered on by the common people who welcomed their arrival. The March Revolution as it became known lasted only from the 5-11 as the Tsar refused to meet with the men representing the Revolution, and remained within the Duma in the hopes that forces loyal to the Tsar would arrive in time. Despite the obvious writing on the wall, the Tsar refused the abdication and continued to push for resistance to the Revolutionaries. By the 9, the Petrograd Police had either stood down or joined the protestors, with only the Gendarmes remaining loyal. However, a final standoff on the 11 ended with the garrison's surrender, leaving the Tsar with no forces loyal. Finally convinced by advisors too, the Tsar announced his abdication, which he would refuse to reveal personally, having one of his remaining advisors, Duma deputy Vasily Shulgin, reveal the news to the Soldiers and Peasantry waiting outside.

Thus, with the stroke of the pen, the Tsar formally ended the 300-year-old Romanov Dynasty, with the whole of the Royal Family, including Nicholas's brother, Grand Duke Michael Alexandrovich, and loyal retainers were moved under escort and entering protective custody by the newly formed provisional government, and moved to Alexander Palace at Tsarkoye Selo. During his sole transfer out of Saint Petersburg, the Tsar was publically jeered out and denounced by both soldiers and peasants alike, with the soldiers shouting "Long Live Mother Russia!"

With the Tsar gone, the Russian Provisional Government replaced the old regime and declared itself the official governing body of the Russian Empire. Originally established as the Provisional Committee, the Provisional Government took shape with the formation of the Russian Constituent Assembly, made up of members of the former state Duma, which would begin forming and establishing itself as the governmental body of the Russian Republic. To lead the Provisional Government, Alexander Kerensky was ultimately chosen.

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[PrinceHenry_of_Rheinsberg]

Return to Service, 1917-1918​

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With the end of the Great War, the RMS Titanic would begin repatriating enlisted men back to the US and Canada, joined in this effort by her sisters Olympic and Gigantic, as thousands of Canadian and American servicemen were set to return home as part of demobilization efforts. In March 1918, the Titanic, Olympic, and Gigantic were returned to Belfast for restoration to civilian Service. For the new era, Titanic and her sisters were given modern interiors, the ships were later converted to oil-firing boilers instead of the traditional coal-burning ones. This change would cut down the time for refueling from days to a mere 5 or 6 hours. Crew present in the engine room came from 350 to a mere 60 people.

Due to her survival from the war, Gigantic briefly retained her title of the largest British-built liner afloat, though Cunard's Line's Aquitania was slightly longer. In March 1919, Titanic returned to regular passenger service, with her typical passenger count around 2,250. Without a loss of the big three, White Star Line would instead acquire Majestic to replace some of its aging liners. The following 1920s were seen as the "Golden Years" of the Titanic trio, their service was seen as the highlight of their careers thanks to their status and position as some of the largest liners afloat. The rich and famous of the day often traveled on the ships, and they were the particular favorite of some notable figures, including the likes of Prince Edward, the future Edward VIII, Sir Arthur Conan Doyle, and Charlie Chaplin.

Even after the 1929-1932 Economic Crash, the trio remained profitable. It served till the latter half of the 1930s, in which increased competition from rival shipping companies came in the form of the new generation of ocean liners. Larger and faster, these new liners included the German SS Prince Wilhelm and SS Fatherland, Italy's SS Rex, and France's SS Ile de France. Despite this, the trio retained a sizable profit, and from 1932-35, the trio continued their service. In 1932, older ships of the White Star Line were withdrawn from service, and joined by Olympic which was kept for a time for an overhaul and refit, which took some months to complete.

After the Olympics returned to service the following year, in 1933, Titanic followed suit and returned to Belfast, followed shortly by Gigantic. Part of the success was due to immigration, which had steadily grown following the conclusion of the Great War in 1916, which saw an influx of people who sought to journey towards the US in search of a better life. The steady flow of third-class would allow for the trio to serve for a time but by 1935, the decision would be made to retire Olympic finally, and set her to be laid up in Southampton in May. Titanic and Gigantic would continue to serve the Transatlantic route, soon to be joined by the newly constructed, RMS Oceanic, a ship far larger than either Titanic or Gigantic were at the time.

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[Ogrebear]

Lot to break down there- I’ll go into depth in my am!

 

[Shockeye7665]

Oooooo, so the Oceanic will be taking to the seas in TTL!

 

[NotBigBrother]

So, Germany kept part Alsace-Lorraine and what it conquered from Russian Empire. No wonder France and Russia felt betrayed by such peace treaty.

 

[ILPD45]

In Russia, what happened to the Bolshevik/Red leaders (Lenin, Trotsky, Stalin)?

 

[JamesHunter]

In Russia, what happened to the Bolshevik/Red leaders (Lenin, Trotsky, Stalin)?

Lenin is likely still in exile in Switzerland, Stalin was in jail at the start of the war and with the war ending early he should still be there as he wasn't due for release until 1917. With Lenin exiled and the war over things probably won't be as bad as OTL so Stalin probably stays a robber and newspaper editor until he's finally shot in the course of the former or the authorities wise up and put him away for good.

 

[PrinceHenry_of_Rheinsberg]

Lot to break down there- I’ll go into depth in my am!

Yeah, I somehow got a spark of desire to continue the timeline and did just that.

 

[Observer235]

So i guess the Olympic is going to be scrapped like in OTL?

That's a pity, but i understand the decision.

 

[PrinceHenry_of_Rheinsberg]

So i guess the Olympic is going to be scrapped like in OTL?

That's a pity, but i understand the decision.

It's a sad thing to happen, but even if Titanic didn't go down, at some point in time the Olympic would most certainly be scrapped. It just was a matter of time, as she along with her sister grew older and newer liners arrived on the scene. Though as of right now, her future is more "up in the air" than anything else.