Indeed that would also be beneficial.
Proving that the concept could have worked even back then if a bit more fists were put behind it ;D ^^
Our League of Nations
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The Corfu and Petrich Incidents:
Since I'm back, we could also continue this (plus new map):
The Corfu and Petrich Incidents:
In 1923 a diplomatic and military crisis between Greese and Italy occurred, after the Italian General Enrico Rellini, who was heading a commission to resolve a border dispute between Albania and Greece had been murdered on Greek territory along a member of his staff. Because of this Benito Mussolini had issued an ultimatum towards Greece that as it wasn’t accepted then lead to the bombardment and occupation of Corfu. The League of Nation got involves and Mussolini claimed Greek terrorists and nationalists not only threatened the Albanian border, but overall independence with the goal to retake the whole claimed region of theirs as Epirus. Further more Italian news also excessively overstated some of the deportations and massacres done in Greek Ionie, the former Turkish west coast at the Aegis, speaking of ethnic cleansing and deportation to reinstall a Greek Anatolia and East. It did not help the Greek side that many nationalists and politicians referred to Constantinople as Byzanz once more and many Hellenic National Parties, as well as the former Rum Millet, the Eastern Orthodox Church in the Ottoman Empire, now located inside Greece were open to the idea of a Hellenic lead Orthodox Byzantine Empire of sorts, spearheading the Orthodox World against the atheist Soviet Barbarians of the North and reclaiming further Greek territory in the Mediterranean and East as some Greek politicians and generals like Ioannis Metaxas talked about. Because of this Benito Mussolini claimed that to guarantee peace and stability in the region against Greek aggression it would be best to put Albania under Protection of the Italian Kingdom and Empire, as the strongest regional power, that also had close ties with other Balkan Nations like Austria, but even more so Hungary, Romania and Bulgaria, targeting ambitions of Yugoslav and Greek expansions alike. In response to that Greece and Yugoslavia had formed the Balkan Block as they felt surrounded by Italy and it’s allies and their territorial ambitions against Greece and Yugoslavia. The timeline not favoring Greek action and the local opposition to the Greeks and backing of Italy was further made hard for the League of Nations Commission that tried to find a peaceful negotiation solution, as Italy remarked their major role in keeping Turkish aggression down during the Turkish Reunification War attempt and also threatened to leave the League of Nations if Greek Terrorism was allowed to rule the Eastern Mediterranean with their actions.
Another major incident was known as the Incident at Petrich, or the War of the Stray Dog, in 1923 after relations between Bulgaria and Greece had become worse over their rivalries of who should own Macedonia and Thrace, which had lead to years of guerrilla warfare between rivaling groups in the region ever since 1904 and throughout the Great War. Afterwards much of the region came under Greek control after the Balkan Wars and the Great War thanks to the Treaty of Neuilly. Both regions therefore remained targets of Bulgarian and Yugoslav Irredentism, similar to how South Tirol, Trieste and the Eastern Adriatic Coast in Austria and Yugoslavia had become part of the Italian irredentism attempts. As Petrich was the administration center of Bulgarian-held Pirin Macedonia as a province were local Bulgarian IMRO radical nationalist, claiming most of Greek Macedonia and West Thrace attempted to destabilize the region and nearly ran the province like a state within the state under their own control. With the threat of Greece against them growing and with Italian backing in the conflict, Bulgaria also attempted to get closer to Yugoslavia as the Greeks threatened their Macedonian province as well, meaning that they had a shared enemy with the Greek and even attempted to get the Albanians into a anti-Greek front against Greater Greece ambitions as well. With the threat of another powder-keg and war within the Balkans, the League of Nations were dispatched to find a peaceful solution to the conflict in the Region. Overall much of the claimed region was majorly settled by Bulgarians, at least until the End of the Balkan Wars and Great War, as Greek deportations and partly ethnic cleansing had shifted that percentage in favor of Greeks in the Greek Kingdom held regions of Macedonia and Thrace. But while Bulgarian King Boris III opposed War, many Bulgarians felt it was their right to return to ethnic justified borders more representing the Treaty of Santo Stefano.
The Corfu and Petrich Incidents:
In 1923 a diplomatic and military crisis between Greese and Italy occurred, after the Italian General Enrico Rellini, who was heading a commission to resolve a border dispute between Albania and Greece had been murdered on Greek territory along a member of his staff. Because of this Benito Mussolini had issued an ultimatum towards Greece that as it wasn’t accepted then lead to the bombardment and occupation of Corfu. The League of Nation got involves and Mussolini claimed Greek terrorists and nationalists not only threatened the Albanian border, but overall independence with the goal to retake the whole claimed region of theirs as Epirus. Further more Italian news also excessively overstated some of the deportations and massacres done in Greek Ionie, the former Turkish west coast at the Aegis, speaking of ethnic cleansing and deportation to reinstall a Greek Anatolia and East. It did not help the Greek side that many nationalists and politicians referred to Constantinople as Byzanz once more and many Hellenic National Parties, as well as the former Rum Millet, the Eastern Orthodox Church in the Ottoman Empire, now located inside Greece were open to the idea of a Hellenic lead Orthodox Byzantine Empire of sorts, spearheading the Orthodox World against the atheist Soviet Barbarians of the North and reclaiming further Greek territory in the Mediterranean and East as some Greek politicians and generals like Ioannis Metaxas talked about. Because of this Benito Mussolini claimed that to guarantee peace and stability in the region against Greek aggression it would be best to put Albania under Protection of the Italian Kingdom and Empire, as the strongest regional power, that also had close ties with other Balkan Nations like Austria, but even more so Hungary, Romania and Bulgaria, targeting ambitions of Yugoslav and Greek expansions alike. In response to that Greece and Yugoslavia had formed the Balkan Block as they felt surrounded by Italy and it’s allies and their territorial ambitions against Greece and Yugoslavia. The timeline not favoring Greek action and the local opposition to the Greeks and backing of Italy was further made hard for the League of Nations Commission that tried to find a peaceful negotiation solution, as Italy remarked their major role in keeping Turkish aggression down during the Turkish Reunification War attempt and also threatened to leave the League of Nations if Greek Terrorism was allowed to rule the Eastern Mediterranean with their actions.
Another major incident was known as the Incident at Petrich, or the War of the Stray Dog, in 1923 after relations between Bulgaria and Greece had become worse over their rivalries of who should own Macedonia and Thrace, which had lead to years of guerrilla warfare between rivaling groups in the region ever since 1904 and throughout the Great War. Afterwards much of the region came under Greek control after the Balkan Wars and the Great War thanks to the Treaty of Neuilly. Both regions therefore remained targets of Bulgarian and Yugoslav Irredentism, similar to how South Tirol, Trieste and the Eastern Adriatic Coast in Austria and Yugoslavia had become part of the Italian irredentism attempts. As Petrich was the administration center of Bulgarian-held Pirin Macedonia as a province were local Bulgarian IMRO radical nationalist, claiming most of Greek Macedonia and West Thrace attempted to destabilize the region and nearly ran the province like a state within the state under their own control. With the threat of Greece against them growing and with Italian backing in the conflict, Bulgaria also attempted to get closer to Yugoslavia as the Greeks threatened their Macedonian province as well, meaning that they had a shared enemy with the Greek and even attempted to get the Albanians into a anti-Greek front against Greater Greece ambitions as well. With the threat of another powder-keg and war within the Balkans, the League of Nations were dispatched to find a peaceful solution to the conflict in the Region. Overall much of the claimed region was majorly settled by Bulgarians, at least until the End of the Balkan Wars and Great War, as Greek deportations and partly ethnic cleansing had shifted that percentage in favor of Greeks in the Greek Kingdom held regions of Macedonia and Thrace. But while Bulgarian King Boris III opposed War, many Bulgarians felt it was their right to return to ethnic justified borders more representing the Treaty of Santo Stefano.
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Can someone let me know if and when he voted, as I made a test earlier and nothign showed up when my GF said that strawpoll doesn't always work correctly with votes/ display?
I think that there should be a similar site called pool-maker.com, but ive never used it, so you can check it out
Same.
Also - as to the proposition of adding southern Albania as the province of Epiros - after some research, the province was the second-level subdivision of Greece at the time. Instead, it should be the prefecture(s) of Argyrokastron (the Greek name for Gjirokastër) and/or Aulon (the Greek name for Vlorë), whilst being within the geographic region of Epirus.
Autonomous Republic of Northern Epirus - Wikipedia
Geographic regions of Greece - Wikipedia
Vlorë - Wikipedia
There's also Survey Monkey and Google Forms. We use both at work.
Ok, this time we can only pick one option at a time so:
Proposition 1 [Corfu Incident] - Greece gets Corfu back and gains Greek-majority areas of southern Albania, remainder of Albania becomes an Italian protectorate.
Proposition 2 [Petrich Incident] - Bulgaria gets ethnic Bulgarian lands in Macedonia and Thrace...Now to agree on what "Bulgarian" means...
Proposition 2 [Petrich Incident] - Bulgaria gets ethnic Bulgarian lands in Macedonia and Thrace...Now to agree on what "Bulgarian" means...
basically southern Macedonia and parts of Trace.
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Also should Greece get ALbanian lands and Bulgaria Bulgarian ones, should Albania be compensated with ethnci Albanian lands in Yugoslavia then?
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Lausanne Conference and the Yugoslavia Crisis
With Bulgaria will gain all ethnic Bulgarian land in Greece and Yugoslavia, while Albania becomes an Italian Protectorate with the Island of Corfu and Greek Albanian areas become part of Greece all in the Balkans seamed appeased somewhat in their national ambitions and territorial border disputes, but at the same time it is a signal to the Fascist and Nationalist governments that the overall demanding of ethnic areas can get trough within the Untied Nations, opening up a new form of fulfilling irredentism and greater pan-ethnic ambitions trough the League of Nations without a direct war. In the meantime the support for the Deep South Tornadoes with aid for the people and financial rebuilding had pushed the United States of America in a favorable view of the League of Nations and international camaraderie, decreasing the number of Isolationists and increasing the number of those who wish the United States to participate as a full member of the League of Nations, as China and Turkey had by now shown the concept seamed to work rather fine in securing world peace and aid among mankind. Because of this US president Herbet Hoover supported armament limitations at the World Disarmament Conference. The League of Nations welcomed the anti-slavery law in Abyssinia, but shortly after the Korean pro-independence paramilitary, detonating a bomb at the Japanese government and military official building in Seoul, killing several Admirals, Generals and injuring several others in a quest for full Korean independence from Japan, which in turn lead to many Japanese demanding more military strength against such terrorism and anti-Japanese actions, both in Korea and China. This lead to the so called Bushido incident, a coup d’ètat by elements of the Imperial Japanese Army and Imperial Japanese Navy alongside civil elements of the Ultranationalist Ketsumeidan (League of Blood) who killed Prime Minister Inukai Tsuyoshi. The coup failed, but the trial had light sentences, as public opinions, strengthening the Japanese militarist influence and weakening overall democratic support and rule of law within the Empire of Japan. At the same time massive riots between Hindus and Muslims in British Raj in Bombay lead to thousands of injured and dead, leaving many to question British Colonial rule and Imperialism, as well as European Colonialism and control over other ethnic groups overall.
Meanwhile German Chancellor Heinrich Brpnings ban of the SA and SS as threats to the public order did not last long after Hermann Göring and the Nazi’s used their political violence and connections of the military leading the Generality to oppose Defense Minister General Wilhelm Groener and calls for his resignation. Shortly after the new Papen government would lift the ban on SA and SS, as well as dissolving the Reichstag, in anticipation that their Nazi’s allies would win most seats. At the same time the League of Nations was in the position to massively influence the coming German election of 1932, as in the Lausanne Conference the United Kingdom, Germany and France discussed the reparations from the Treaty of Versailles, with the Germans hoping they would be suspended. Held before the German elections in Lausanne, Switzerland, were the Americans and others argued that the deepening world financial crisis in the Great Depression , made it nearly impossible for the Germans to resume their payments. At the same time the British and French who had huge debts from borrowing during the Great War, as well as partly devastation from the fighting itself in their own countries, including infrastructure and industries alike, especially in Mainland France. Caused not only by the fighting itself, but German plundering during retreats, the British and French instead proposed an occupation of the German industrial heartland to force these reparations to eliminate the German debt that way. The Americans were eager to be paid by the British, French for debt and the Germans for War reparations as well, but also realized that the Germans needed to remain capable of paying anything at all. At the same time the Italians around Benito Mussolini and the allied Austrians Austrofascist regime pointed out Serbian nationalist oppression of ethnic minorities in Yugoslavia, therefore demanding that the territories spoken to Italy in the Treaty of London (basically the Adriatic coast) were given to the Italians, the German/ Windic and Slovene lands were given back to Austria, as the people there demanded and that all non-Serbian lands in the north, especially the Croats would become independent as well, like the Albanians and Bulgarians in the south had already archived. It did not take long before Hungary and Romania supported the suggestion, claiming ethnic Hungarian and Romanian lands within Yugoslavia as well, which would be leaving a unified Greater Serbia instead of Yugoslavia.
Done, this sadly means everyone needs to revote on the Yugoslavian decision once more ;D
Yugoslavian Partition and Greater Serbia
After recent negotiations and treaties with the League of Nations Austrians gained German, Windic and Slovene lands, while Italy gained the territories promised in the Treaty of London from Yugoslavia under strong Yugoslavian protests. The kingdom of Yugoslavia stopped to exist and instead Serbian army general Milan Nedić took control and was entrusted by Serbian King Peter II to create the ethnic and nationalistic Kingdom of Greater Serbia. The new government proclaimed thy wished t save the Core of the Serbian people from the Communist-Masonic-Jewish-English mafia, that had created Yugoslavia to eliminate the pure Serbian race by intermixing them with massive Macedonian, Bulgarian, Croatian and Bosnian Mohammedans. Because of that the new radical government intended to eliminate further ethnic territorial claims by sending ethnic remaining Bulgarians and Macedonians to Bulgaria, Romanians to Romania, Germans to Austria and heavily discriminate against the still for independence or autonomy crying Croatians, who were secretly supported by the Italians and Mussolini, as he would support their fascist, nationalist Croatian Roman Catholic Ustashe under their leader Ante Pavelić, who called for an independent Croatian State that would automatically fall under Italain influence hoped Mussolini. The so called Croatian rebellion or Croatian uprising saw terrorism, violence and ethnic massacres on both sides and lead the nationalist Serbian dictatorship to respond with ethnic cleansing and concentration camps of their own against Croats and Bosnian Mohammedans. While the Benelux nations of Belgium, Netherlands and Luxemburg joined in a customs union, a nearly bloodless military rebellion in Siam established a constitutional monarchy and the Constitutional Revolution, a Sao Paulo state uprising began in Brazil. Many hoped the world overall would be more secure against war and conflicts, but it looked as if more and more anti-democratic, anti-republican governments arose and threatened to soon make up the majority of the voting voices within the League of Nations, something that concerned the British and French massively, even if they too denied their ethnic colonial minorities true representation or independence. The giving of all German, Windic and Slovene lands once again opened up the debate if South Tirol and the Trieste region promised to the Italians during the Great War should be fully given to the Italian Kingdom and the Austrofashist Fatherland Front (Vaterländische Front) under Engelbert Dollfuss in Austria agreed in exchange for protection of Austria by Italy in chase of a newly escalating Balkan Conflict, which in terms of recent events in now more unstable Greater Serbia looked more dangerous each day.
After an armed communist attack against the National Socialists in Germany that saw 18 killed by paramility street fighting groups, the Papen Government and Reichspräsident Paul von Hindenbrug opposed the elected SPD government in Prussia under Otto Braun with the Reichswehr military and with it Germanies most powerful land received a heavy blow against it’s democracy. The Lausanne conference meanwhile ended with the agreement to halt German reparations until the End of the global economic crisis is over and the agreement that Germany would be given back colonies if certain reparations were fulfilled, to encourage the Germans to do so. This was massively welcomed by the German Colonial Society, who reclaimed the unjustly lost colonies for the German as part of the Federal Foreign Office under Edmund Brückner. As German foreign debt stood at 21.514 billion marks; the main sources of aid were the United States, Britain, the Netherlands, and Switzerland, the Lausanne Conference agreed to a final, single payment of 3 billion mark, which would mean that around 20 billion would have been paid then, much less then the original offered, or planned payments. At the same time the British held the British Empire economic Conference in Ottawa Canada to oppose the global financial crisis. With the current revenue, the in the 1932 German federal election winning NSDAP as largest party under Adolf Hitler, formed a so called Government of German National Salvation with the DNVP under Alfred Hugenberg, the Catholic Centre Party under Ludwig Kass and the BVP Bavarian People’s Party under Heinrich Held, who as a ragtag bond together anti-socialist/ anti-communist coalition together made up 40,1% supported by the previous government, the Reichspräsident and the Reichswehr against the SPD-KPD Coalition of Otto Wels, Arthur Crispien, Hans Vogel and Ernst Thälmann who had gained 37,6% and had first made a coalition to form a new German government which was opposed by the Reichspräsident to be accepted under advise that otherwise the Reichswehr might interfere.
The new Nazi lead Nationalist-Conservative German government knew they had an annual revenue of around 10,3 billion Reichsmark and offered a plan to pay the remaining German war debt in exchange for colonies, while also planning an infrastructural Autobahn project to ease the unemployed problem. In light of this events the Italians and French concluded the Colonial Mandate and Territory Treaty, which saw the exchange of the Italian Cameroon (Kamerun) Mandate against the French Somaliland, French Turley Turkish and French Syrian mandates and territories to the favor of both sides. Initial Italian claims in Mainland France, Corsica and Tuensia meanwhile were left unfulfilled. A soon after followed British and Italian Colonial Mandate and Territory Treaty, then saw Southwest Africa fall to South Africa, as well as East Africa becoming a part of British Tanzanija. In exchange British Somalia and ethnic Somalian East Kenya away from the major agricultural land and British settlements there were given to the Italians. The Italian Empire now controlled all harbors and railways into Ethiopia and claimed ethnic Tigayan and Afars land which had been rebelled against the Somalians with Italian aid in the North, as well as ethnic Somalian land in the East, while Ethiopia overall became heavily depending on the Italian Empire. At the same time SA Brownshirts terrorize political opponents in Germany while the new Article 48 a law ordered the death penalty for a variety of offenses and with the court system simplified so that the courts could hand down as many death sentences as possible. The new German State proclaims the End of the Weimar Republic and the Proclamation of the German Reich (Empire) trough it is uncertain if Emperor Wilhelm will return to his previous position within a new Constitutional Monarchy. With a vote of no-confidence in the Reichstag, the last remnants fo the old government are eliminated a week before Mahatma Gandhi starts his hunger strike in Poona prison in India. In Hungary Gyula Gömbös of the radical right becomes prime minister, while Arabian Nationalists call for Egypt to join the Arabian Kingdom as a pan-Arab nation state. In the November elections of Germany, the Nazi’s remain the strongest party and their coalition continues the government. With the Reichstags Fire and the Execution of Reichspräsident Hindenburg by supposedly Communist Terrorists, which allows Hitler to become Reichskanzler (Chancellor) and Reichspräsident (President) with nearly dictatorial authority. Even if the Coalition Government keeps his power somewhat in check, secret concentration camps are formed by the Sa. As Japan and the Soviet Union restart diplomatic relations, the hope for a peaceful coexistence in East Asia grows. The more civil and democratic Japanese government calls for international aid by the League of Nations during the 1933 Sanriku earthquake, while at the same time the Indian National Congress and the Congress Nationalist Party saw the All-Indian Muslim League under Muhammad Ali Jinnah call for complete independence of all Muslim constituencies as they otherwise feared a continued dominance by Hindus inside a unified India.
Vote for Japanese Earthquake aid here
Vote for Pakistan Independence here
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